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RizzBoom
Seeing As He Absorbed DL's ability and used it in the company's "prison" I don't see why he spent so long opening it with telekinesis....
sindawg
I believe it's because Adam wanted to get in as well. So Adam tells him right off to open it, so he can get in too, without giving Peter enough time to think about other alternatives.
-sparky-
QUOTE(sindawg @ Dec 5 2007, 10:35 PM) *
I believe it's because Adam wanted to get in as well. So Adam tells him right off to open it, so he can get in too, without giving Peter enough time to think about other alternatives.


But when Peter helped Adam escape they both walked through the wall with Adam holding Peters shoulder to be able to walk through the wall behind him...

So yes, they could have just walked through the vault door...

Wouldn't have been so dramatic though, and wouldn't have given Nathan and Matt time to catch up with them...
The Next Era
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Dec 5 2007, 04:09 PM) *
But when Peter helped Adam escape they both walked through the wall with Adam holding Peters shoulder to be able to walk through the wall behind him...

So yes, they could have just walked through the vault door...

Wouldn't have been so dramatic though, and wouldn't have given Nathan and Matt time to catch up with them...


im guessing that the virus wouldnt of spread through a closed door...
maxxann
QUOTE(RizzBoom @ Dec 6 2007, 06:27 AM) *
Seeing As He Absorbed DL's ability and used it in the company's "prison" I don't see why he spent so long opening it with telekinesis....

maybe the door is made of a material of some sort that can resist that "passing thru"ability. Maybe that ability has some limitations as well. After all, Angela said to Nathan only Peter can open that door. Well, if she hasnt'said that maybe Nikki can pry the door open too with her super strength... LOL

So i'm guessing it's treated with some kind of resistive material... whatever.
-sparky-
QUOTE(The Next Era @ Dec 6 2007, 01:26 AM) *
im guessing that the virus wouldnt of spread through a closed door...


So?

All they have to do is pick it up and walk back out through the door again...
J.U.N.C
well it was quik n in the moment so peter used a power he was familiar with.he still has to master his abilities fully
Hero2012
why didnt he just teleported in there??? or why didnt he melt the door?? probaly because the special effects would cost too much...lol
Kimura Yuji
Well Peter is the dumbest character, he could have read Adam's mind to know he was lying, he could have then stopped Adam. And also Hiro is so stupid for simply burying adam alive. Come on he could have done it so much better, like teleporting adam to a vulcan and then teleporting back, or sending him to space, or simply teleporting like 5km above sea level and droping him on solid ground, adam can't regenerate from being literally mashed.
This season was full of mistakes and holes, all because the writers went on strike...
All we can do is hope season 3 gets better and they put more effort in making cool complex addicting thrilling stories(now that's a nice sequence of qualities lol).
Triton
QUOTE(Kimura Yuji @ Dec 6 2007, 05:53 PM) *
Well Peter is the dumbest character, he could have read Adam's mind to know he was lying, he could have then stopped Adam.

Haha never thought of that. Guess Peter must be extremely stupid. He had the truth with him all along! Either that or extemely gullible and naive.
maxxann
QUOTE(Triton @ Dec 7 2007, 10:41 AM) *
Haha never thought of that. Guess Peter must be extremely stupid. He had the truth with him all along! Either that or extemely gullible and naive.

In all fairness, Angela said in the very beginning (season 1) that Peter was weak. You can really see how gullible and weak he is (not literally of course), he relies on Nathan for most of his decisions. I think Kring made it really realistic and he did a good job with Peter. Peter can be very powerful but the downside of his being powerful is that mentally and emotionally he is weak.

'HE'S NOT STUPID guys, he is just weak. And I think that's fine. We don't want him all powerful both in mind and abilities...that'll be TOO PERFECT. And in this world, there's really nothing perfect.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Kimura Yuji @ Dec 6 2007, 05:53 PM) *
Well Peter is the dumbest character, he could have read Adam's mind to know he was lying, he could have then stopped Adam. And also Hiro is so stupid for simply burying adam alive. Come on he could have done it so much better, like teleporting adam to a vulcan and then teleporting back, or sending him to space, or simply teleporting like 5km above sea level and droping him on solid ground, adam can't regenerate from being literally mashed.
This season was full of mistakes and holes, all because the writers went on strike...
All we can do is hope season 3 gets better and they put more effort in making cool complex addicting thrilling stories(now that's a nice sequence of qualities lol).


what plot holes? We know for a fact that Peter doesn't have a good grip on his time ability, what makes you think Peter can read anything other than surface thoughts?

Last I checked, Adam can't regenerate after suffocation either.
-sparky-
QUOTE(Kimura Yuji @ Dec 7 2007, 01:53 AM) *
Well Peter is the dumbest character, he could have read Adam's mind to know he was lying, he could have then stopped Adam. And also Hiro is so stupid for simply burying adam alive. Come on he could have done it so much better, like teleporting adam to a vulcan and then teleporting back, or sending him to space, or simply teleporting like 5km above sea level and droping him on solid ground, adam can't regenerate from being literally mashed.
This season was full of mistakes and holes, all because the writers went on strike...
All we can do is hope season 3 gets better and they put more effort in making cool complex addicting thrilling stories(now that's a nice sequence of qualities lol).


Teleporting Adam into a volcano, or into space etc would also involve Hiro being in a volcano, or in space as he has to be there as well...
Hiro would be killed too...

I can see your point though...


QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Dec 7 2007, 03:19 AM) *
what plot holes? We know for a fact that Peter doesn't have a good grip on his time ability, what makes you think Peter can read anything other than surface thoughts?


Its a good thing Peter had complete control over his TK and was able to suspend the virus above the floor, and that he knew exactly how his radiation power worked in order to destroy the virus...

It appears to me that Peter has control over the abilities that tie in nicely with the way the writers want the story to go... Those that don't tie in with obvious plot holes are dismissed by people on here as him not being in control over thagt particular 'power'...
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Dec 7 2007, 03:35 AM) *
Teleporting Adam into a volcano, or into space etc would also involve Hiro being in a volcano, or in space as he has to be there as well...
Hiro would be killed too...

I can see your point though...
Its a good thing Peter had complete control over his TK and was able to suspend the virus above the floor, and that he knew exactly how his radiation power worked in order to destroy the virus...

It appears to me that Peter has control over the abilities that tie in nicely with the way the writers want the story to go... Those that don't tie in with obvious plot holes are dismissed by people on here as him not being in control over thagt particular 'power'...


or maybe those were just earier to control. Ted was the first one in his generation to discover the second part of his ability (EMP). It took sylar...what, five seconds to master TK?

Peter hasn't really used TP that much (i count about 5 times in the searies so far), and we know he doesn't have a grip on time-travel, which is one of the first powers that he copied. He hasn't had enough practice to master all of his powers.

He's not sylar, who understands how powers work and can master them quickly. Peter has to go through the time and practice to gain control of each ability.

C'mon, the guy has powers that he doesn't even know about! (theoretically, all of sylar's abilities. he hasn't used molly's or micah's yet, and i think he was in the same room as eden early in season 1...)
DeJaY2k8
didnt peters mind heal and he remembered "everything" so that would include how to use all the powers he knew how to before the haitian got him lol?
Thorin
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Dec 8 2007, 01:25 AM) *
He's not sylar, who understands how powers work and can master them quickly. Peter has to go through the time and practice to gain control of each ability.


Peter should also have absorbed Sylar's "how powers work" ability and thus should be able to use any power he ever encounters as quickly as Sylar. He should also be able to use them better than their original "owners", as he should understand how they work more so than the original owners.
Leroy Kincaid
There's other lacks in scenario, like for example : if only a bullet in the head of Peter can kill him... Why an atomic bomb -not only near him, but "inside" him- didn't kill him ?

I may be wrong, but...hum... his head should have explode into billions of pieces, lot more than a simple bullet.
Thorin
Probably because the explosion extruded outwards for him and not towards him - similar to the eye of a storm where everything is calm.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Thorin @ Dec 8 2007, 06:29 AM) *
Peter should also have absorbed Sylar's "how powers work" ability and thus should be able to use any power he ever encounters as quickly as Sylar. He should also be able to use them better than their original "owners", as he should understand how they work more so than the original owners.


last i checked, Peter didn't cut everyone's head open to see how their power worked...
MissMonroe
Oh i didn't think about that either..

So stupid I have to say! haha...
Thorin
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Dec 8 2007, 09:16 PM) *
last i checked, Peter didn't cut everyone's head open to see how their power worked...


Sylar doesn't need to cut open their heads to see how things work - that's how it he fixes clocks. He doesn't cut off the clock's head!

Wikipedia says "he is described as having "intuitive aptitude", the ability to know how things work by looking at them"
Not "the ability to know how things work but cutting off their head".
TrueDevotion
QUOTE(Thorin @ Dec 8 2007, 03:28 PM) *
Sylar doesn't need to cut open their heads to see how things work - that's how it he fixes clocks. He doesn't cut off the clock's head!

Wikipedia says "he is described as having "intuitive aptitude", the ability to know how things work by looking at them"
Not "the ability to know how things work but cutting off their head".


If Sylar doesn't need to cut open heads to take abilities, why does he have to kill people and cut open their heads before he takes their abilities. If he knew ted sprague could generate radiation and he's seen it, why did he have to kill him to take it?
Doctor
QUOTE(Thorin @ Dec 8 2007, 11:28 PM) *
Sylar doesn't need to cut open their heads to see how things work - that's how it he fixes clocks. He doesn't cut off the clock's head!

Wikipedia says "he is described as having "intuitive aptitude", the ability to know how things work by looking at them"
Not "the ability to know how things work but cutting off their head".


Okay, hang on two seconds. I'll just go on to wikkipedia and click edit and make it so that it does say "cutting off there heads..." wikkipedia is NOT a reliable source, at all.

Anyway, i think peter hasnt used Sylar's ability yet because he doesnt know about it, what so ever. He doesnt even know Sylar has it. If he finds out about it then mabey it will take affect.

Also doesnt he have to think about the person to bring the powers fourth as a "calling card"? If he does i cant see why he would ever think about Sylar he hardy knew him.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Thorin @ Dec 8 2007, 03:28 PM) *
Sylar doesn't need to cut open their heads to see how things work - that's how it he fixes clocks. He doesn't cut off the clock's head!

Wikipedia says "he is described as having "intuitive aptitude", the ability to know how things work by looking at them"
Not "the ability to know how things work but cutting off their head".



...1, nice source...
2, the head is not transparent, he needs to cut it open and remove the brain to look at it.

Thorin
Then why doesn't he have to cut off a clock's head to find out what's wrong with it? He just knows how it works (or rather doesn't - with a broken clock), and fixes it.
Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's a good way to get quick information.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Thorin @ Dec 9 2007, 09:50 AM) *
Then why doesn't he have to cut off a clock's head to find out what's wrong with it? He just knows how it works (or rather doesn't - with a broken clock), and fixes it.
Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's a good way to get quick information.


...he fixed watches for a living. He'd seen how they work before Chandra Suresh showed up with his, thus he already knew how they worked.
Thorin
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Dec 9 2007, 08:36 PM) *
...he fixed watches for a living. He'd seen how they work before Chandra Suresh showed up with his, thus he already knew how they worked.


He was particularly good because he instantly knew what was wrong with the watch - suggesting he just knows how it works/how it isn't working/what's broken/how to fix it.
Warren
QUOTE(Doctor @ Dec 8 2007, 07:52 PM) *
Okay, hang on two seconds. I'll just go on to wikkipedia and click edit and make it so that it does say "cutting off there heads..." wikkipedia is NOT a reliable source, at all.

Anyway, i think peter hasnt used Sylar's ability yet because he doesnt know about it, what so ever. He doesnt even know Sylar has it. If he finds out about it then mabey it will take affect.

Also doesnt he have to think about the person to bring the powers fourth as a "calling card"? If he does i cant see why he would ever think about Sylar he hardy knew him.


Lol Wikipedia is a perfectly good source. If anything its one of the best out there BECAUSE its open to millions of people editing. If you know how it works then you know that you cannot just throw random things into it that aren't true. People go over everything with a fine tuned comb and EVERYTHING added is debated and scrutinized. So I dont know where you get off bad mouthing wiki.

Peter is/has always been my biggest dissapointment in the show, I had hoped that with the 1st seasons success that we would actually see Peter develop his powers this season. Yet again the writers/kring decided to hold Peters character back (amnesia). Because of this there are so many situations where we always think, why didnt peter do this/that/etc. This happens with a lot of characters in the show, but moreso peter because of his multitude of powers. An example is Micah and Matt, their powers are easy to display and dont cost a lot to produce (no real special effects) and I think because of that we've seen them use their powers exactly how we'd want them to.

All we can do is hope for the best in Volume 3.

On a sidenote, is it me or did it seem like Volume 1 had a bigger budget?! sad.gif
Petrelli Fan
I really don't know where a lot of you guys get off badmouthing Peter. Peter is my favorite character in the series for a few reasons:
1. He's obtained a multitude of superpowers now that we've seen him absorb nearly all of the ones seen in the show...
2. Even with his superpower(s), he still acts more like a normal human being than any other superhero (Superman, Spiderman, etc) that I've seen

And why didn't Peter just phase through the door or get through the door by some other means?

He simply just has more control over his telekinesis at the moment. We've only seen him phase twice. And with all of Sylar's powers that Peter is supposed to have absorbed, do you really think Peter is aware of all those? And why didn't Peter just use telepathy to listen to Adam's true intentions? Because Peter is extremely trusting. A lot of you may be asking "why trust Adam?"...well, if someone saved your brother by giving him some regenerative blood wouldn't you trust that person or do whatever that person asked of you in thanks? And need I remind you all that Peter had a career in the medical field...Peter is not stupid.
duggy
QUOTE(MissMonroe @ Dec 8 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Oh i didn't think about that either..

So stupid I have to say! haha...



Peter didn't walk thru the door because to do so would have broken all that carefully built up tension , gotta make the punters sweat a little and also by making them say hey why didn't he use this or that power makes it all the more annoying, so you watch it again to see why and make excuses like, Peter hasn't recovered fully , or he forgot or the door is treated! "WHAT"
It's just a point in the story where the writers forget(convieniently) that he had other means of getting from point a to point b to make it look good.
Or maybe Peter really is dumb!!! dry.gif dry.gif
StoreClerk
He was merely doing what Adam told him to do. If the door wasn't pried open, Adam wouldn't have been able to escape if Peter discovered his true intentions.
Triton
QUOTE(Doctor @ Dec 9 2007, 02:52 PM) *
Anyway, i think peter hasnt used Sylar's ability yet because he doesnt know about it, what so ever. He doesnt even know Sylar has it. If he finds out about it then mabey it will take affect.

Also doesnt he have to think about the person to bring the powers fourth as a "calling card"? If he does i cant see why he would ever think about Sylar he hardy knew him.

Peter didn't even know who DL was or that he even had a power when we first saw him use the phasing ability back in Ireland. So with this in consideration, maybe he 'remembers' his powers in times of stress or something..
-sparky-
QUOTE(Petrelli Fan @ Dec 11 2007, 07:39 PM) *
I really don't know where a lot of you guys get off badmouthing Peter. Peter is my favorite character in the series for a few reasons:


He.

Is.

A.

Character.

In.

A.

TV.

Show.
Andy p
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Dec 6 2007, 08:50 AM) *
So?

All they have to do is pick it up and walk back out through the door again...

Erm as i recall the reason lord stupid, i mean Peter, was there was because he believed that adam was coming with him to destroy the virus, why the hell would he would he walk out of a protected vault and risk dropping the virus and spreading it, instead of just going in there and destroying it?

On the other hand this is Peter we are talking about so maybe he would fumble it or try and eat it.
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