Ive been reading some of the posts concerning characters with healing factor.

But then I just remembered a scene from one of the X-Men movies (X2-united).

Wolverine there also has a healing factor then one of the cops shot him in the head.

After 2mins or so he stood up and the bullet got out of his head.

Now this means Adam Clair or Peter can survive a gunshot to the head.

Thats right, but Heroes aint X-men, right? And they cannot survive a shot at a specifik point at the back of their heads.

well , the HEAD is the KEY

If that is so, then answer me this: Why was Claire able to come back to life after she had a stick go through such a point in her brain that caused her to die? Why did Peter die and then come back to life after a giant glass shard went through his brain? Why did HRG die and come back to life when he got shot through said point in the head?

IMO, the writers retconned this healing ability to not be quite so immortal. People have died numerous times throughout this show, and every time so far they've come back. Why would this be different for Peter or Adam?

Think about it. If they get shot through specific point in the head, then just like HRG, they will die. However, they have a hell of a lot more of the miracle healing blood going through them than HRG had, so why would they not heal? They need to hire geekier writers, people who notice details like that.

I don't understand how you equate what happens to Wolverine in an X-Men film to what happens in Heroes?

They.

Are.

Two.

Different.

Shows.

Peter and Claire survived the stick and the glass because it was pulled out, then they healed. You can't actually pull out a bullet deep inside the head now, could you? A bullet travels fast, thus it does in deeper inside the head.

So how did Noah survive?

basically when adam said"theres no comign back from that one" he wasnt talking about getting shot in the head he was talking about getting your head blown off. victoria reached for a shotgun not a pistol.

Yeah, but Wolverine has an adamantium skull, the strongest metal known in the Marvel universe...

Oooh... an *ADAM*antium skull...

Spooky!

I just don't understand why every character seems so certain that getting your head blown off or being shot in the head or whatever will be definite death. Sure, it's a great theory, and most probably true, BUT there is no audience-revealed reasoning for why everyone knows it to be a "fact." Unless they've tested it out on an as-of-yet unmentioned character who shared this ability, then it is impossible to assume what the true limits of the regenerative power is.

Claire has already proven that you can grow body parts back (her toe). Peter (glass shard), Noah (bullet) and Claire (rod) have all proven that getting brain damage isn't necessarily fatal (though the object needs to be removed first).

It is reasonable to conjecture that the healing power probably has limits, but I just don't see why the old generation of characters all seem so certain as to what those limits are. It's either bad writing, or there's something we haven't had revealed to us yet.

HAhahahaha..

and Adam has lived for 400 YEARS, I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about

Well... other than the fact that Sylar removes the brains of people, which in itsself is a MAJOR head 'injury' , and all of his victims have remained dead.

i think as long as the brains of claire, adam and peter are in one piece, they would still be able to regenerate and come back to life. but if the brain is destroyed aka blown to bits by a shot gun or taken out n stepped all over, then its bye bye to the person... that was why claire managed to come back to life after getting that wood stuck in her head n peter with the piece of glass stuck in his head... the brains were still intact...

my 2 cents...

Yea I also had comments regarding this, everything is based on assumptions simply because Adam is still alive. He doesnt really know if he would die because by the LOOKS of it hes still been running around. "theres no way coming back from that one" - "I would know I tried it once and well I missed but I imagined it would kill me..."

But what we have witnessed is claire and peter being partially dead as they had objects ingraved in their brains so maybe that is the only way of really keeping Adam at bay? cellular regeneration? I dont think thats unstoppable to be honest.

to be honest do you not think that if putting a bullet in the head would have stoped adam surlely they would have done it 30 years ago, adam can regenerate thats it he's not really superhuman strength two people could take him out.

everytime they reference chopping of the head i feel like shouting it's not bloomin highlander.

the likely hood that the point that claire and peter had there head punchered could be the part of there brain that controles that part of there abilitys when the sticks ect were removed from that part of the brain the cells could regenerate and the power could then again work.

we've seen that sylar needs to see the brain to see how things work so that could be a theroy

if you shot adam who the heck would want to remove the bullet.


pez

Utter genius. I love you.


And if Adam has been around for so long, surely he has watched X-men, and should have tried to inject to kind of metal over his skeleton...jeeze..

i think they can survive if the bullet goes right trough, but if it is stuck they will be dead for a while until it is removed.

If the head is totally destroyed ( by a shotgun ) they will be dead forever

I would agree that this is most likely the case, but I'm just saying that the characters in the show seem absolutely positive that it is the case, not that they just believe it to be most likely. It's not like we don't have characters in comics that can come back from being blown to smitherines (look at Lobo - as long as a drop of blood is left, he'll come back - extreme example, but you get my point).

Also remember "Five Years Gone." Yeah, yeah, we don't see her dead body, but Sylar took Claire's brain to get her power. she died.

Also in a non-save-the-cheerleader timeline (the timeline that Future!Hiro remembers), Sylar also killed Claire at Union Wells high school. So my vote is definitely that, if you do enough damage to "that part" of the brain, no amount of regeneration will save you.

So why are people bringing Noah into this.
Noah doesn't have the regenerative power thus it didn't matter that he got shot in the brain?
Whereas Claire and Adam both need their brains for their powers to function..

Doesn't that bring us back to when the tent exploded at White Beards Camp? From what it looked like, that explosion SHOULD'VE taken off Adam's head, possibly even blown his brain to bits. But he still survived from that. Yet a measly bullet can kill him? Seems kinda weird.

i think if the bullet was removed from the brain they would come back to life. just like with the glass in peter's head or the branch in claire's head in season 1

But Adam has survived from an explosion! That I never quite get..

Well, he was at the center of the explosion. It's not like he just got some bomb shrapnel thrust at him. Considering the pressure of that explosion, it could've easily ripped him apart, most likely highly damaging his brain. How'd he survive from that?

adam was wearing a helmet. it might have protected his brain a little

I would think once the bullet was removed there would be no blockage and the brain would heal. Same as Adam with being deprived of oxygen in the casket, once they open the casket the brain will re-oxygenate and start up again.

And I thought Adam mainly just said the thing about Victoria Pratt so it wasn't obvious he just wanted to kill her.

That IS the most theoretically correct answer.. for now

When did we see that? O_o;;

Ah loopholes, the greatest curse for writers everywhere.....

By the way just to make things worse, didnt Adam get blown to pieces by Hiro? Also when you see his skeleton, assuming it is him, it has most of the back of its head blown out and definately no brain, also did i mention he is a skeleton?