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Skippy
Will Nathan die? i mean come one, the writers aren't going to kill off flying man! i think that they will give him some of Peter or claire's blood, healing, and he will live. i mean, why wouldn't they?
bryll
QUOTE(Skippy @ Dec 28 2007, 10:27 PM) *
Will Nathan die? i mean come one, the writers aren't going to kill off flying man! i think that they will give him some of Peter or claire's blood, healing, and he will live. i mean, why wouldn't they?

Because it's been overused. If they kept using it to revive people, it'll give the impression that everyone in the show is immortal as long as Adam, Peter or Claire are alive.

Personally I'd like Nathan to recover through good old fashioned surgery. Perhaps they can TRY to give Nathan the "miracle blood" but it doesn't work for the second time. I'm sure they can think up a good enough explaination why. I've got one myself that I think is rather logical: They could say that the foreign blood acted as a sort of virus which boosted the rate at which one heals, however, since the blood isn't "compatible" per se, the person injected with the blood beings to develop anti-bodies to the blood, which is being treated as a virus; bacteria. Therefore the blood was unable to heal Nathan for the second time. Sounds logical and plausible.

But yes, would suck if they killed off Nathan. Peter just isn't Peter without Nathan!
Nekobaghira
Personally, I could care less how they save Nathan. As long as he's saved. The magic blood would work, sure they over used it, but this episode wasn't suppose to be in this direction to begin with. They totally changed stuff to wrap up before the strike.

I do remember reading that they would come up with other ways to heal. Maybe one of those creative ideas pops up. Surgery in a hospital works too. I think Nathan is an important part to the show.

It's gonna be a long time before we know. This strike appears to going on for far longer than we would like. I certainly will find other things to do with my time than watch TV.

Neko
boy_unplugged
I think he needs to die.

he got shot in the chest twice.

i'm sick of the story line being more Care Bears than x-Men.

he was a weak character who was nothing but Peter's crutch, and his mommy's little b****.

Peter has his power, and that was the only interesting thing about him other than his sacrifice.

sorry but i'd be happy to get more screen time from a better hero. Nathan has overstayed his welcome on my screen.
Nekobaghira
QUOTE(boy_unplugged @ Dec 28 2007, 12:00 PM) *
I think he needs to die.

he got shot in the chest twice.

i'm sick of the story line being more Care Bears than x-Men.

he was a weak character who was nothing but Peter's crutch, and his mommy's little b****.

Peter has his power, and that was the only interesting thing about him other than his sacrifice.

sorry but i'd be happy to get more screen time from a better hero. Nathan has overstayed his welcome on my screen.


And Parkman took more shots to the chest and survived. Concentrated in the chest region by Sylar.

You'll need to elaborate the difference of Care Bears and Xmen. Otherwise that statement really goes nowhere. Perhaps an example of when someone or any character on the show was a care bear or an Xman?

You don't like Nathan. Fine. Doesn't bother me but you give no reasoning for dislike. Why should his storyline be over?

Nathan's character growth was the most of almost any character on the show from season 1 to season 2. He went through the most stuff, but had less screen time in season 2. He was cold and heartless to caring and finding redemption. That is a character that was written well. Not all of the characters went through as much. Though, the season was short and in all fairness the characters would have gone through more if the season was normal. Which is wasn't.

Anyway, to each their own.

Neko






Petrelli Fan
QUOTE(Nekobaghira @ Dec 28 2007, 06:27 PM) *
And Parkman took more shots to the chest and survived. Concentrated in the chest region by Sylar.

You'll need to elaborate the difference of Care Bears and Xmen. Otherwise that statement really goes nowhere. Perhaps an example of when someone or any character on the show was a care bear or an Xman?

You don't like Nathan. Fine. Doesn't bother me but you give no reasoning for dislike. Why should his storyline be over?

Nathan's character growth was the most of almost any character on the show from season 1 to season 2. He went through the most stuff, but had less screen time in season 2. He was cold and heartless to caring and finding redemption. That is a character that was written well. Not all of the characters went through as much. Though, the season was short and in all fairness the characters would have gone through more if the season was normal. Which is wasn't.

Anyway, to each their own.

Neko

Well said. Although I personally thought Peter had changed the most from Season 1 to Season 2, I can definitely see your point. Peter is another reason why I think Nathan needs to live...Nathan has helped Peter a great deal to become the man he is today and he was the only one who could make Peter see Adam for who he really was. Nathan has brought a lot to the show and I do think they'll bring him back. It may be like with Peter in Episode 2:1...we just won't see him until the very end and so we'll think he's dead.
maxxann
Let Nathan live!
Nekobaghira
QUOTE(Petrelli Fan @ Dec 29 2007, 02:07 AM) *
Well said. Although I personally thought Peter had changed the most from Season 1 to Season 2, I can definitely see your point. Peter is another reason why I think Nathan needs to live...Nathan has helped Peter a great deal to become the man he is today and he was the only one who could make Peter see Adam for who he really was. Nathan has brought a lot to the show and I do think they'll bring him back. It may be like with Peter in Episode 2:1...we just won't see him until the very end and so we'll think he's dead.


I would concur that Peter changed from season 1 to season 2. He certainly was more confident in his powers even though he wasn't sure what he had at his disposal. My main issue with Peter in season 2 as far as character growth goes is, he was learning again. It felt like a rehash of season 1 with him figuring out his powers. I do think Nathan is an anchor for Peter. The brotherly bond that sees beyond all other things. They're family and they trust and love each other.

And I think the Petrelli's are the most interesting family group on the show. Charisma, good, evil and all the stuff inbetween. Its whats great about watching them.

Neko
Klenotka
QUOTE(boy_unplugged @ Dec 28 2007, 09:00 AM) *
I think he needs to die.

he got shot in the chest twice.

i'm sick of the story line being more Care Bears than x-Men.

he was a weak character who was nothing but Peter's crutch, and his mommy's little b****.

Peter has his power, and that was the only interesting thing about him other than his sacrifice.

sorry but i'd be happy to get more screen time from a better hero. Nathan has overstayed his welcome on my screen.



I disagree. But if you donīt like Nathan...fine. I canīt say that I am excited about Peter for a change.
For me, Peter has acted sometimes as a spoiled child in S1. Nathan had to stop Peter, twice. Nathan saved the world twice by saving Peter.
But, Petrellis are the core of the show. What I missed in S2 was chemistry between Peter and Nathan. It was so much different after they met in Powerless.
Nathan has so much potential. Why would they say that Claire is his daughter if they wanted to kill him? It would be waste of half of S1.
Peter needs Nathan and Nathan needs Peter.
Nathanīs storyline was the only interesting thing in the first half of S2 for me. Him and HRG did something useful and sensible, while Peter acted like he lost his brain somewhere, Claire flew with her boyfriend and Hiro was in Japan and had more or less influence to the main story that missed some big solution, thought.
Nathanīs way to redemption was great, imo. And he has to get back his family, his career, and more, he is a potential leader of heroes.
I think the authors are aware of this and wonīt do another mistake by killing him. Tim Kring apologized for some mistakes so I hope they donīt want to do another big one.

Matt was shot four times and survived, thatīs not an argument. He could survive by simple surgery, doctors can make miracles today. And if someone has the RIGHT to use the blood, itīs Nathan because his own daughter has the healing blood! And he has Peter next to him, with his milion and one powers he can use.
Why did they have to use the blood for useless Maya and ruin the idea? I personally donīt care, as far as Nathan lives. But I would prefer if they would suprise me and save him in different way.

And to the "his mommyīs little...whatever"...I think that he wouldnīt say her "you are evil, mom" or "get out!", if he were his mommyīs little... boy...is it what you meant? He hates his mother. And itīs obvious in the last episode as well, when he barely looks into her face. I think you should pay attention to those things before you write something.
And yes, I still think he survives.
Nekobaghira
Nathan's road to redemption was great and the wisdom he passed on to Peter because of it was great.

I concur, why make Claire his daughter if you were not going to do something with it. Though, I suspect in season 1, it was always to put his election in jeopardy. wink.gif

But I think they should spend more time on the bio family. And I would also agree the Petrellis in general are a cornerstone for the show.

I would love to see Nathan lead the group. That would so fit his character.

Anyway - there are easy ways to save Nathan. Blood or not.

Neko.
Trixie Prower
I like Nathan, but if they don't follow through with a death then it will be a big hit for the show.

I already heard Jessica may live, Maya lives, Syler lives, if Nathan lives all the drama will be stripped from the series.

once again I like Nathan, but if the blood saves him which would be the only really way to save him, it would impact the drama of the series.
Nekobaghira
I respectfully disagree. biggrin.gif I don't think the show would take a big hit if Nathan lived. If he's gone, well, nothing I can do about it, but my interest in the show would not be the same. Sure it may force Peter to change, but I would rather see the Petrelli brothers alive and working together. But I will admit I am biased. biggrin.gif

The reality is the show already took a hit with season 2. Expectations will be high when Vol. 3 comes out. While possible they could do worse than season 2, I think the creators, writers and producers learned allot from their mistakes with this season.

Maya could have stayed dead for all I care. I don't think I could sit through another scene of her crying. That is really all she did was cry.

As for Jessica - I'm in the wait and see.

All we really know is that Jessica/Niki and Nathan's fates are up in the air and their situation is dire. Nothing will be settled until the strike is over. And it seems like its going to be awhile.


But lets be real, I'm a Nathan fan. LOL. Of course I want him to live. wink.gif

Neko
Elle Mars
He'll definately die from those shots. But permanently? I still think so. We know Ali Larter isn't going anywhere anytime soon and it would be pointless if one of those deaths didn't mean anything. Plus, the actor, Adrian, is married to a Dixie Chick. So I figured that if the writers were to kill anyone (because seriously, the cast is growing by the illegal aliens numbers), Adrian would still have his mansion to go home to.

Plus, with his popularity after his death, I'm sure they'll revive him a lot later on.
Ando
i really want nathan to live but a few things make me think he wont.

1. Adrian Pasdar has started on other stuff (not TV)
2. I cant see him surviving unless the infamous miracle blood is used again (2nd time for Nathan aswell)
3. Nathan supposedly died at the end of volume 1 and to have him come back for volume three would be the writers repeating themselves
SuperHiro18
I hate people dying but the one thing I hate more is people dying, not dying!!! Make sence???
Ando
QUOTE(SuperHiro18 @ Jan 6 2008, 06:10 AM) *
I hate people dying but the one thing I hate more is people dying, not dying!!! Make sence???

it makes sense to me anyway
Leila
God I hope he won't die........I hope he will be bring out to life again........it just that the most thing I have liked in "heroes" was this brotherhod between Nathan and Peter.I really can't imagine how hard is to lose youre brother when you just found him....I don't know what I'll do if I lost my sister like that
Mrs Lauren Ventimiglia
Would the blood that Adam gave him in "Four Months Ago" not be able to make him regenerate or did that only work once?
Klenotka
I donīt think they would use the blood even if they could. I think itīs going to be some heroes-like simple solution - Adrian said itīs big suprise. They used blood to the useless Maya so it would become really a big cliché and I donīt want Nathan become that.
My guess is that someone from the future warned him and he wore a bullet proof vest. wink.gif

And I hope they will finally leave Nathan alone in next season bc twice in the row to put his life in danger? Seriously....he saved the world twice so he deserves more than just get killed.
Ænigma
Flying Man must live!
boy_unplugged
I guess i wouldn't care either way...

But i hope season three doesn't end with us wondering if nathan is dead.... AGAIN.

so if he dies, that might help that.
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