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Tim Kring
This TOTALLY Makes Sense. Remember in the "Run!" episode, where Sylar is talking to Mohinder, and says; "I had a kinda epiphany about it this morning..." . He mentions GOD a couple of times. He also mentions Abraham Maslow: A Peak Experience. "...A single moment that takes you out of yourself, makes you feel very tiny, or very large, to some extent 'one with life,' or nature, OR GOD... Like seeing all the pieces of a puzzle fit together. All this time, I was trying to fight it, deny it, but there is no shame in having this ability is there?" -Sylar says...

Sylar is definitley trying to be like GOD!!!

Here is a link to Abraham Maslow, and "A Peak Experience"

I think it might have some sort of connection to the whole storyline now!!! AS I FIGURED IT OUT!!!

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/maslow.html

After reading this, or part o this topic, please discuss andlet me know what you think!

Thanks! wink.gif

-Alic
Jester77
I don't think Sylar wants to be like God I think that all he wants is to be special, unique, just different from everyone else
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 15 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]7327[/snapback]
I don't think Sylar wants to be like God I think that all he wants is to be special, unique, just different from everyone else


He is aspiring to be somewhat like GOD, (if you even believe one such thing exists). Basically my theory is that he thinks his purpose is to be like GOD!

I think this wll be incorporated into the StoryLine somehow now! It makes perfect sense. You can doubt my theory, and de-bunk it all you want, but who was one of the first people to figure out who Claire's daddy was?! ME! I was one of the first people on this forum to figure out it was Nathan. wink.gif

Please at least take notice of this theory as it may come in handy!
Jester77
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I think this wll be incorporated into the StoryLine somehow now! It makes perfect sense. You can doubt my theory, and de-bunk it all you want, but who was one of the first people to figure out who Claire's daddy was?! ME! I was one of the first people on this forum to figure out it was Nathan.


Your theory could be true, I kind of disagree but don't get cocky
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 15 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]7332[/snapback]
Your theory could be true, I kind of disagree but don't get cocky


Not gettin' cocky, just getting ready to prove you all wring again! laugh.gif Just Kidding!!!
Aerdna
It's possibility I suppose, he did want to be special, but obtaining one power wasn't enough for him so he decided to continue killing people for their powers with hopes of becoming God-like. It would make sense since Kring has a degree in religion, so he might to stick some of that in there.

I also came to realize something about Sylar. I'm not sure if I'm being a little dense and not picking up on this until now but, since Sylar could originally tell when 'something/someone's broken' and use that to obtain someone's powers, what would happen if he tried to obtain a power of someone who already knows how to control it? Would he be able to do it or would the brain of that person be of any use to him? To me it seems that the victims that we've met that he's killed (Brian Davis and Zane Taylor) are insecure about themselves and to some degree can't control their powers, and that's why it was so easy for him to obtain those powers.
Jester77
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To me it seems that the victims that we've met that he's killed (Brian Davis and Zane Taylor) are insecure about themselves and to some degree can't control their powers, and that's why it was so easy for him to obtain those powers.


I don't think it would make a difference as to whether or not the person Sylar kills can use their power. Afterall Sylar did want Eden's power and she could control it just fine
Aerdna
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 17 2007, 12:43 PM) [snapback]7507[/snapback]
I don't think it would make a difference as to whether or not the person Sylar kills can use their power. Afterall Sylar did want Eden's power and she could control it just fine


Shoot...I forgot about Eden. Just when I thought I was onto something dry.gif
slop27
i am not wondering about the god complex sylar has but i am wondering about his new power because it apears that he is altering matter in some way and i'm wondering if that will make him a little more loopy because his power might go both ways to destroy and create and that would most likely cause a god complex if he doesn't already have one
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Aerdna @ Feb 17 2007, 07:42 AM) [snapback]7500[/snapback]
It's possibility I suppose, he did want to be special, but obtaining one power wasn't enough for him so he decided to continue killing people for their powers with hopes of becoming God-like. It would make sense since Kring has a degree in religion, so he might to stick some of that in there.

I also came to realize something about Sylar. I'm not sure if I'm being a little dense and not picking up on this until now but, since Sylar could originally tell when 'something/someone's broken' and use that to obtain someone's powers, what would happen if he tried to obtain a power of someone who already knows how to control it? Would he be able to do it or would the brain of that person be of any use to him? To me it seems that the victims that we've met that he's killed (Brian Davis and Zane Taylor) are insecure about themselves and to some degree can't control their powers, and that's why it was so easy for him to obtain those powers.


I think you have a point, or somekind of theory developing there definitely! It will sure be harder for Sylar to "SENSE" if someone is broken, if they weren't broken... if the "BROKEN" person had learned how to control it.

Also, you are right, Tim Kring does have a degree in both Reigion, and Mythology! So this will be cool to see this play out!!! wink.gif
Tim Kring
QUOTE(slop27 @ Feb 17 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]7531[/snapback]
i am not wondering about the god complex sylar has but i am wondering about his new power because it apears that he is altering matter in some way and i'm wondering if that will make him a little more loopy because his power might go both ways to destroy and create and that would most likely cause a god complex if he doesn't already have one


I think you are on to something too!
Supergirl
I dunno, you do have an interesting theory, but I think everything goes back to the beginning. Remember in 1.02 Mohinder and Eden hear a recording of Sylar and Chandra.

Copied from heroeswiki.com/

S: "Hello, Chandra. Why won't you talk to me? ... You can't leave me like this."

C: "Hello, Mr. Sylar? I asked you not to call here anymore."

S: "The hunger, it's — I can't control it... I don't want to... You made me this way."

C: "I made you a murderer?"

S: "You helped me to discover my potential... You wanted to see what I could do as much as I did. And now you want it to stop."

C: "It's over. Goodbye."


Interesting words there and also from 1.10 when he tells Chandra he wants to be special, important, have a new name. Those things are what he is doing, he got the new name, he is making himself special, unique and important. Over time, he obviously was battling his demons about what he was doing. Gaining the abilities changed him, and he can't stop now.


With that said he is definitely my favourite character, I can't help but like the villian/s of the story usually, and Zachary Quinto has been brilliant as Sylar.

slop27
after reading some of the posts i think that sylar also has cleptomania (a mental problem where you feel the need to steal things) except his problem only pertains to powers rather than him bieng evil and all he is only fufilling his need to steal the powers in the only way he know how. i am not trying to justify his actions but that might be something else that is wrong with him.
Jester77
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Interesting words there and also from 1.10 when he tells Chandra he wants to be special, important, have a new name. Those things are what he is doing, he got the new name, he is making himself special, unique and important. Over time, he obviously was battling his demons about what he was doing. Gaining the abilities changed him, and he can't stop now.


Going back to episode 10, Sylar spoke of how he hated his family because they were so normal and then when he found out that he didn't have any powers (that he wasn't special, unique) he threw quite the tantrum. I don't think that Sylar wants to be God it doesn't seem like that but he does want to be different, he wants to be able to take every power that he is because he will be the only one to be like that
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Supergirl @ Feb 18 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]7667[/snapback]
Yeah there are cochroach references in a few episodes, like when Mohinder found that man in his apartment he said there was a roach problem.
Yeah I agree with you, and that is what I was saying. Episode 10 is very important about Sylar, how he felt. He was crushed when Chandra told him he did not have any powers. Imagine if he did detect Sylars ability of Intuitive Aptitude (Thats right isn't it?) perhaps things might have been alot different?


Yes, Intuitive Aptitude is the correct term for Sylar's ability...

http://heroeswiki.com/Intuitive_aptitude
Supergirl
Ah thanks for that, I was positive I had it wrong LOL! Checking that link out now, thank you biggrin.gif
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Supergirl @ Feb 18 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]7678[/snapback]
Ah thanks for that, I was positive I had it wrong LOL! Checking that link out now, thank you biggrin.gif


You are very welcome, a few Google searches and you will have all of the things you need to know about Sylar's ability... wink.gif
Supergirl
Yeah haha I've been trying not to fully lose myself in reading what I can about him laugh.gif

I'll end up getting more obsessed then I already am blink.gif laugh.gif
Metseger
QUOTE(Supergirl @ Feb 18 2007, 06:36 PM) [snapback]7681[/snapback]
Yeah haha I've been trying not to fully lose myself in reading what I can about him laugh.gif

I'll end up getting more obsessed then I already am blink.gif laugh.gif


Haha, supergirl, I'm starting to like Sylar too. I don't know why but they way he carries himself is amazing. There's just something about him...
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Metseger @ Feb 18 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]7682[/snapback]
Haha, supergirl, I'm starting to like Sylar too. I don't know why but they way he carries himself is amazing. There's just something about him...


I LOVE SYLAR!!! Gabriel, you're my hero! LOL! laugh.gif

No but really, Sylar is cool!
Tazorak
Right now Sylar is my favorite character cause he is the most interesting one of the bunch. He has more powers than anyone, and i dont Zachary does a good job as playing a villian, a lot better than his acting in 24 season 3.

I liked in the comic it showed him using his ice power, i thought that was pretty cool, so we know now that he definitely has that power.
Supergirl
QUOTE(Metseger @ Feb 19 2007, 12:17 PM) [snapback]7682[/snapback]
Haha, supergirl, I'm starting to like Sylar too. I don't know why but they way he carries himself is amazing. There's just something about him...


Yeah there is, I mean once he got caught and we actually got to see him. The way he's turned out to be, certainly isn't what I expected. I didn't expect to actually have him as my fav character haha
Jester77
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Yeah I agree with you, and that is what I was saying. Episode 10 is very important about Sylar, how he felt. He was crushed when Chandra told him he did not have any powers. Imagine if he did detect Sylars ability of Intuitive Aptitude (Thats right isn't it?) perhaps things might have been alot different?
Yeah Sylar probably wouldn't have gone on his crazy collect as many powers as possible mission

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Yeah there is, I mean once he got caught and we actually got to see him. The way he's turned out to be, certainly isn't what I expected. I didn't expect to actually have him as my fav character haha


Yeah I actually like him too and Zach Quinto has an awesome personality on his own, he's hilarious
Supergirl
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 20 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]7750[/snapback]
Yeah I actually like him too and Zach Quinto has an awesome personality on his own, he's hilarious


He really is fantastic as Sylar, I hadn't really heard of him before so now I'm curious to see what else he's done. I know he was in Season 3 of 24, which I actually have on DVD and I've never watched it lol!
Tim Kring
HAHA!!! We all love Sylar! Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Well, the creators have definitely done something here!!! laugh.gif To get all of us to love Sylar!

WHAT A TWIST!!!
Jester77
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HAHA!!! We all love Sylar! Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Well, the creators have definitely done something here!!! To get all of us to love Sylar!

WHAT A TWIST!!!


I just find it absolutely hilarious that so many people could love the show's ultimate bad guy especially when he's killing people left and right
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 20 2007, 08:36 PM) [snapback]8133[/snapback]
I just find it absolutely hilarious that so many people could love the show's ultimate bad guy especially when he's killing people left and right


Thats what I am saying... laugh.gif I love the fact that most of us love the BAD guy!!!

YEAH!!!!!!! tongue.gif
Jester77
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Thats what I am saying... I love the fact that most of us love the BAD guy!!!


Yeah it's funny and for anyone that hasn't you guys should watch the episode commentaries that Zach Quinto does, he's a pretty funny guy
Supergirl
Well HRG and crew were doing tests on Sylar and all they could come up with was that he had telekinesis. He has other power we haven't seen, one of those could have attributed to his fake death. Either that or his original ability. He knows how the body works, so he could make himself appear dead?
Tim Kring
QUOTE(Supergirl @ Feb 24 2007, 03:57 PM) [snapback]8690[/snapback]
Well HRG and crew were doing tests on Sylar and all they could come up with was that he had telekinesis. He has other power we haven't seen, one of those could have attributed to his fake death. Either that or his original ability. He knows how the body works, so he could make himself appear dead?


GREAT FIND!!! I was wondering how he could've done that!!! wink.gif
Jester77
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Well HRG and crew were doing tests on Sylar and all they could come up with was that he had telekinesis. He has other power we haven't seen, one of those could have attributed to his fake death. Either that or his original ability. He knows how the body works, so he could make himself appear dead?


That's the thing because we have no idea how Sylar's original power works or what other powers that he has acquired so it's not surprising that Sylar can make himself appear dead but I still want to know exactly how he did it
Supergirl
Yeah me too, but after some thought, my theory above seemed to make the most sense. I do want to see what other powers he does have.
Tim Kring
Sylar is broken. He doesn't know it... Because he can only see when other things are broken... He can see what makes them "tick."

This makes the most sense. I think the writters have seen this...

My THEORY, (even though it isn't a THEORY), is that Sylar is broken. And it is only a matter of time until he figures it out, or someone tells him! I mean, seriously, how else would they write his storyline? I can't think of anything else!

I think he has taken sooo many powers, and along with those powers he has taken that person's "mechanism" which is FULL of mistakes, because those people are NOT perfect, and neither is Sylar!

WHAT A TWIST WOULD THAT BE!

YEAH!!! wink.gif
Jester77
Well Sylar is most definetly flawed, I don't know if he is broken though. After all what defines a "broken" person..Sylar defines it as someone who basically does not want their power and so he takes it himself.
Tim Kring
I don't know... Sylar said he (the first guy he killed) was broken because his DNA was different than normal... (MUTATED) They explained that in "SIX MONTHS AGO..." he defines "Broken" as mutated DNA... So the definition may vary, but the term still is in play.

I will stick with my assumption that sylar is broken...
Aerdna
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Feb 25 2007, 02:26 AM) [snapback]8738[/snapback]
Well Sylar is most definetly flawed, I don't know if he is broken though. After all what defines a "broken" person..Sylar defines it as someone who basically does not want their power and so he takes it himself.


Hmm...interesting, I never thought about it that way, I thought being broken was a matter of being able to control their abilities. If that's the case, maybe that's why he's struggling with his new enhanced hearing. Dale said it wasn't a burden at all and she's come to terms with her power and sees it as an advantage. Because of that, he can't really control it.
Jester77
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Hmm...interesting, I never thought about it that way, I thought being broken was a matter of being able to control their abilities. If that's the case, maybe that's why he's struggling with his new enhanced hearing. Dale said it wasn't a burden at all and she's come to terms with her power and sees it as an advantage. Because of that, he can't really control it.


Well Sylar's first victim, Brian Davis, seemed like he could control he's power well enough but when he told Sylar to get rid of his power, Sylar saw him as broken. That's why I don't think Sylar is broken in that definition of the word, in fact he's the complete opposite. Sylar may be completely psychotic but he is definetly not "broken"
Supergirl
Sylar doesn't see things which are broken, he sees how things work. He sees how the abilities work, and how to take them away and have them for himself. I don't think he's broken. I agree with Jester77, Sylar sees people as being broken because they don't want their abilities. But it appears he'll take peoples abilities whether they want them or not (As seen in Unexpected, Dale liked her powers).
Supergirl
Yeah, he has changed from the man we saw in the flash back episode. What he's doing to himself has changed him. Maybe deep down there is a good person but really that person doesn't exist anymore. All the feelings he had, came out in Sylar. Sylar is what he wanted to be, someone special, unique, ect..
Jester77
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Yeah, he has changed from the man we saw in the flash back episode. What he's doing to himself has changed him. Maybe deep down there is a good person but really that person doesn't exist anymore. All the feelings he had, came out in Sylar. Sylar is what he wanted to be, someone special, unique, ect..


Yeah it's like the first time he kills someone he probably felt guilty but the more people he killed and the more powers he acquired the guilt lessened until he's become the hardened serial killer that we all know now
Supergirl
Know and love laugh.gif or maybe thats just me! laugh.gif

I think things must have happened to him to make him feel the way he does. I think Chandras rejection of him was the last straw for him. He couldn't handle being a no-body and ordinary.
Jester77
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I think things must have happened to him to make him feel the way he does. I think Chandras rejection of him was the last straw for him. He couldn't handle being a no-body and ordinary.


He's probably just always wanted to be different to not be the watchmaker's son turned watchmaker and no one can argue that he isn't different now
Supergirl
He certainly is different now! He became what he wanted to be basically, although I don't think serial killer was one of them laugh.gif

Sylar is easily one of the best characters on TV right now.
Jester77
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Sylar is easily one of the best characters on TV right now.


I would definetly say that he is one of the most complex, I wonder what his thought process is like
Supergirl
He is complex! I love that! He is a real character he isn't some paper thin character. I'd love to (As long as he wont kill me lol) sit down and just investigate him, ask him questions.
Jester77
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He is complex! I love that! He is a real character he isn't some paper thin character. I'd love to (As long as he wont kill me lol) sit down and just investigate him, ask him questions


Hah yeah and well then again any serial killer has to be complex, at least that's what I would assume
Supergirl
Yeah for sure! Having read up on alot of famous serial killers, they are certainly complex! It just isn't believable when they are one dimensional. Which is why some serial killers in movies and or tv shows just seem rather weak character wise. Sylar certainly isn't weak!
Cayo Loco
I think that rather than Sylar having a "God Complex" so to say, it's more of a "Classical Hero Complex". Although it is near impossible to label Sylar as a "hero" I think that what he wants to be is an unstoppable warrior with incredible power, kind of like Achilles, Hercules and Aeneas. These classical heroes were portrayed as so powerful that they were no longer quite human, but that they were never one of the gods. I don't think that Sylar wants to be God because he doesn't seem to possess to one desire that is critical to the God Complex: the want to create. Individuals with a God Complex tend to want to reshape and create the world in their own image. For example, any Marvel fans will know that certain characters in the Marvel Universe exhibit this kind of complex. (Most notable are probably Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse) Sylar only posses the desire to obtain and wield great destructive power, and we all know what this eventually causes.
Jester77
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I think that rather than Sylar having a "God Complex" so to say, it's more of a "Classical Hero Complex". Although it is near impossible to label Sylar as a "hero" I think that what he wants to be is an unstoppable warrior with incredible power, kind of like Achilles, Hercules and Aeneas. These classical heroes were portrayed as so powerful that they were no longer quite human, but that they were never one of the gods. I don't think that Sylar wants to be God because he doesn't seem to possess to one desire that is critical to the God Complex: the want to create. Individuals with a God Complex tend to want to reshape and create the world in their own image. For example, any Marvel fans will know that certain characters in the Marvel Universe exhibit this kind of complex. (Most notable are probably Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse) Sylar only posses the desire to obtain and wield great destructive power, and we all know what this eventually causes.


I agree, I don't necessarily think that Sylar wants to be a God but somewhere in his twisted mind he probably sees himself as a hero or at least he probably used to. All I know is that Sylar wants more, he wants to be different, unique
Supergirl
He could turn out to be some kind of anti-hero.
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